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Oversaturation?
depravos
Joined: 10/20/2011 10:55 pm
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facebook does not give a flying about small time bands and musicians. they can't make any money off of them. it is that simple. it is geared to 12 year olds. they have access to lots of money. a broke musician is not a desired target for their advertisers.

mmonline
Joined: 10/20/2011 09:46 pm
Posts: 2
I wouldn't know whether Facebook gives a flying anything about me.. I don't ask them and it is not relevant... You seem a little sour on it.. you probably shouldn't use it.

Thankfully, I only have 1 person close to 12 years old as a friend - my daughter. Fortunately, I have a lot of over 12 friends who use it to pass along what we are doing.

But, it sounds like you find it to be a bad fit for you.. I would recommend you steer clear of it. ;-D
nalaniproctor
Joined: 10/20/2011 09:27 pm
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Also, you have to remember that on Facebook, users must be the age of 13 or older. Otherwise, they're lying about their age to have and account, and I think that's technically a criminal act.
But at any rate, I agree that you can't just use one internet medium to get results. It's a constant battle of emailing, mixed with crowdsourcing, and tweeting away, while posting up a blog about lunch, or the fact that your dog pooped out your prized guitar pic finally (hypothetically speaking). Isn't using internet mediums like social networks really about connecting to the fans as an independent artist? Current National/Global acts probably started out this way, and quickly found the right people (JBeiber/youtube). So, it's really up to us to do the work. The amount of work you put into your trade, both musically and business-wise, determines whether you're creating a career, or creating a hobby. Both are awesome endeavors, but both take some amount of work in promotion and social networking to get people to your shows, don't you think? And as for Reverbnation or other sites geared towards musicians, they've been helpful in finding other artists, but like everything else, it is saturated. We are in an age where everyone wants to follow their dreams.
indieonthemove
Joined: 10/20/2011 10:31 pm
Posts: 35
Well said nalaniproctor.
depravos
Joined: 10/20/2011 10:55 pm
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justin boober and his mom are atrocities. no different than those disgusting kiddie beauty contests. they have nothing to do with music of any kind.

this forum seems to be on about the same level. all i see here is fake optimism and not a damn word of interest. we want real nourishment not a fucking baloney sandwich. posting to facebook and tweeting may possibly help you interact with those who are already fans. and i think people are getting sick of that also.
it is this simple. you will not succeed unless you know the right people. they will help to force you down people's throats. no amount of great shows are worth a damn unless some twit at pitchfork writes about it.
here is a question to which you surely must know the answer. how do you get a review on pitchfork? how do you find out who their local writers are in your town? you know, so you can blow them. THAT would be helpful and practical advice.

if this comes off as bitter to you then we obviously don't share the same sense of humor. we are just disgusted by know nothings pretending that they are EXPERTS. after a couple years of reading the same drivel ad nauseum about facebook, twitter and endless indie "saviours" like reverbentryfee it is not the music industry that disgusts you so much as people that pretend that they know the secrets and have many answers. tell the FUCKING truth!!


alamantra
Joined: 10/20/2011 11:02 pm
Posts: 3
Unlike mp3.com, in the past and reverbnation, in the present, Facebook was not created to be a promotional medium for music. It was originally intended to connect individuals with individuals. It has moved away from its original appeal toward becoming the ultimate data collection for marketing device. It slowly allowed and then made accommodations for bands and other businesses. On the local level it is good, since I'm friends with lots of the local music people and so ...for show announcements... its a good tool. For gaining new fans though, I find Twitter to be far more effective. The secret to its effectiveness is being genuinely interested in what others are doing and showing that you're willing to promote them. I use followfridayhelper.com to send out regular shoutouts especially to the people who have mentioned me or shown me kindness. I occasionally post a link to my work, but I mostly promote others and try to raise their profiles. The results are, right now, an average of 425 retweets and mentions by other people a week. These people are responding to recognition and consideration with the same ..and that's a beautiful thing.
We're entering a new age of possibility for indie music. It has a rediscovered since of context that isn't to be found in the "industry" side of it. Bands that are just out for themselves are going to have a harder time than those who are out to make music a genuine way to connect with others in an intimate, personal way. For too long its been about "band image" and personality cults and the flavor of the month ...and not about the only thing that matters ...the music.
nalaniproctor
Joined: 10/20/2011 09:27 pm
Posts: 2

Bobby Shiflett - 05/10/2012 12:04 am

For gaining new fans though, I find Twitter to be far more effective. The secret to its effectiveness is being genuinely interested in what others are doing and showing that you're willing to promote them. I use followfridayhelper.com to send out regular shoutouts especially to the people who have mentioned me or shown me kindness. I occasionally post a link to my work, but I mostly promote others and try to raise their profiles. The results are, right now, an average of 425 retweets and mentions by other people a week. These people are responding to recognition and consideration with the same ..and that's a beautiful thing.



Thanks for the information. Twitter is hard for me to get into, not having a smartphone and all. But I still try to tweet when I can (which probably isn't enough). I really admire internet-savvy artist Amanda Palmer. That woman is a whirlwind of information. But she can get a little TMI at times. I'll have to check out the link.
northernmusic
Joined: 10/20/2011 09:33 pm
Posts: 1
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